Actually "Arch's spirit" is the Unix spirit.

I thought about this for awhile, and NO, "Arch's spirit" is not necessarily the only "Unix" spirit. - atleast, not any more, I mean what is the Unix spirit?
mmm, well that is another question all on its own.
But NO, Arch never did define the Unix spirit, any more that FreeBSD alone defines the "Unix spirit".

However, boith combined can amount to the best of both worlds, the best of the closest Unix's we've seen in awhile ?

In other words, Arch alone is not enough to encompass the complete "Unix spirit", anymore than any other GNU is ?
Yep.

Actually "Arch's spirit" is the Unix spirit.

I thought about this for awhile, and NO, "Arch's spirit" is not necessarily the only "Unix" spirit. - atleast, not any more, I mean what is the Unix spirit?
mmm, well that is another question all on its own.
But NO, Arch never did define the Unix spirit, any more that FreeBSD alone defines the "Unix spirit".

However, boith combined can amount to the best of both worlds, the best of the closest Unix's we've seen in awhile ?

In other words, Arch alone is not enough to encompass the complete "Unix spirit", anymore than any other GNU is ?
Yep.

I don't need weird stuff in the background

On my main PC I've switched over to FreeBSD a while back. Mainly because of curiosity, but when I realized a few things were much more smooth and tidy than on linux, and when I stumbled upon ZFS, I was just so impressed...
The thing is, on that machine I need to use Intel Raid (imsm metadata), and on Linux, I had to use dm-raid, mdadm used to segfault at boot, and when it finally stopped crashing at boot, it started hanging at shutdown... Once it even unhooked one disk from the raid and I had to actually use the annoying Intel Matrix Storage Manager on windows to get things back... there would probably have been some weird mdadm command to fix it, but it's important that windows can access the disk as well, and yeah... that's a real problem - except, on FreeBSD the whole thing worked out of the box!

So those are my experiences. Since then I've been constantly comparing Linux and FreeBSD, and the score - which obviously is very subjective - has been pretty even among them.

Now that I've bashed linux a bit (or rather, praised BSD), for the sake of fairness, let's turn things around a bit
Linux has its linux containers: namespace and control-groups... Oh god cgroups are so useful, especially the Freezer group if you have to deal with evil processes. Or the cpuset group if you want some control over a big process group from someone else hogging your precious CPU time
Linux also has SMACK - but then again the MAC system on BSD is really nice, and being a coder I also started implementing my own module. But then boom: ZFS + MAC = Nono... I don't get it... why would the FS itself need support. Just use xattrs

tldr: FLOS is annoying - linux is still awesome - Arch is still awesome - FreeBSd is still awesome ==> Arch + BSD = double awesome!

I am also very happy that ArchBSD is nearing a tangible state, I have an IBM T42 Thinkpad waiting for ArchBSD to be installed on it.

Keep teh good stuff coming

Jase

I'm a new member of this community.

My name is Luca and i was an Arch Linux and Gentoo user 2 years ago. I also used for one year FreeBSD.

I'm so very glad to see this project. I love OpenRC, i love KISS and i love FreeBSD. So, there are many reasons to love it. 

I wish you all the best!

Best Regards,
Luca De Pandis

PS: "ArchBSD" sounds very good, isn't it? 

It was the plan at first, a long time ago, but I changed it to a pure FreeBSD system.

Thats very good news, indeed. And Thankyou.

Seriously, you took on what (still) appears to me, to be a MAMMOUTH task/project.
If I was a "great" coder/hacker, this would definitely be the stuff "dreams are made of", for me anyway.

All the best, with ArchBSD !

marcusant wrote:

scjet wrote:

I knew I would get here !,
-as soon as I heard the news from my buddies over at Archbang(forum), also where I got this link.
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=n … px=MTI4MTk   (I'm still trying to digest this)

I'm still wondering where ArchBSD is really going ?! ala similar to kFreeBSD,..., or Gentoo/FreeBSD ... ?
man, I got so many questions:
uhh, so what about systemd ? -not they I care at all.
...but, down the road, the big concern is obviously going to be drivers ?!, ...right now ATI/Catalyst STILL doesn't or cannot be run/installed on *BSD.

but hey, for now,
I'd just like to say a big THANKYOU to the ArchBSD team and wish them all a fruitful success in this endeavour.

and, if ArchBSD needs any "TESTERBUSTERS" -well, you know who to call. -me.

It uses the FreeBSD userland with Gentoo's init and Arch's package management.

Thanks again, for claifying this, I was simply trying to follow up on some of this stuff.

But, it's a bit confusing when you read this:
https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php … 4#p1176114  (Post #50)<- here, ArchBSD is using GNU-userland. ?

whereas here:

http://phoronix.com/forums/showthread.p … post308130  (Post #15) <- but here, it's using BSD-userland. ?

Granted, everything is still slowly coming together here, and I probably wouldn't even notice the difference (much), being more-or-less a user, at this point.
Sry to nitpick, But still ...

It was the plan at first, a long time ago, but I changed it to a pure FreeBSD system.

scjet wrote:

I knew I would get here !,
-as soon as I heard the news from my buddies over at Archbang(forum), also where I got this link.
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=n … px=MTI4MTk   (I'm still trying to digest this)

I'm still wondering where ArchBSD is really going ?! ala similar to kFreeBSD,..., or Gentoo/FreeBSD ... ?
man, I got so many questions:
uhh, so what about systemd ? -not they I care at all.
...but, down the road, the big concern is obviously going to be drivers ?!, ...right now ATI/Catalyst STILL doesn't or cannot be run/installed on *BSD.

but hey, for now,
I'd just like to say a big THANKYOU to the ArchBSD team and wish them all a fruitful success in this endeavour.

and, if ArchBSD needs any "TESTERBUSTERS" -well, you know who to call. -me.

It uses the FreeBSD userland with Gentoo's init and Arch's package management.

Thanks again, for claifying this, I was simply trying to follow up on some of this stuff.

But, it's a bit confusing when you read this:
https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php … 4#p1176114  (Post #50)<- here, ArchBSD is using GNU-userland. ?

whereas here:

http://phoronix.com/forums/showthread.p … post308130  (Post #15) <- but here, it's using BSD-userland. ?

Granted, everything is still slowly coming together here, and I probably wouldn't even notice the difference (much), being more-or-less a user, at this point.
Sry to nitpick, But still ...

regards from turkey

ekber

Arch user since about 2004 and looking forward to the new project!

If you need help testing I can install as VM and possibly a physical Dell box and test while at work. I'm not a dev but can get around a command prompt pretty well.

Good luck!

I knew I would get here !,
-as soon as I heard the news from my buddies over at Archbang(forum), also where I got this link.
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=n … px=MTI4MTk   (I'm still trying to digest this)

I'm still wondering where ArchBSD is really going ?! ala similar to kFreeBSD,..., or Gentoo/FreeBSD ... ?
man, I got so many questions:
uhh, so what about systemd ? -not they I care at all.
...but, down the road, the big concern is obviously going to be drivers ?!, ...right now ATI/Catalyst STILL doesn't or cannot be run/installed on *BSD.

but hey, for now,
I'd just like to say a big THANKYOU to the ArchBSD team and wish them all a fruitful success in this endeavour.

and, if ArchBSD needs any "TESTERBUSTERS" -well, you know who to call. -me.

It uses the FreeBSD userland with Gentoo's init and Arch's package management.